The problem quite simply is there anybody willing to tip money into RL week in week out , year in year out in South Wales ?



Are the RFL ' conning ' these benefactors into believeing they can break even ?



A championship club will lose money anywhere between 50 grand and 300 grand , change that to SL and you are looking at half a million to a million each year



Until the sport can finance itself it will never expand

Good point but then again football clubs lose money hand over fist in every division other than the Premier League but still they seem to survive and progress.

They seem to take it in turns then leave, when Smokey TA reduced his posting we had Big Graeme, Johnoco, Roy Haggerty and now Tre Cool come in then pull out quickly

Hurrah now we are getting to the nub of it - reality rears its head. Crusaders could get decent gates if big money was invested. I believe outside of London S Wales is the ONLY place you could fairly quickly get up to 10,000 gates BUT it would have to be with a top 2 or 3 team with a couple of big names. Without big investment forget it.

Well given that each of these endless threads is the same half a dozen people joyfully tossing off onto the same biscuit, is it any wonder nobody else wants to pop round for tea ?



It's fairly simple : there's a few people who think that Crusaders difficulties "prove" that expansion cannot take place through giving licenses to new or relatively SL clubs. Some argue it will never work. Some argue that it needs time (50 years, anyone ?).



Then there's a group of people who think that the Crusaders example proves nothing except that what was done in the case of Crusaders didn't work as well as we would have hoped. Some would argue that it was the specificities of Leighton Samuel's involvement, some that it was about location, some think it was RFL maladministration, or some just bad luck. Or all of the above.



Is there any point endlessly going round those same issues on ten different threads ?

Perhaps some people don't spend every waking minute looking on a messageboard to see what someone thinks. Besides, there is such a thing as making your point then leaving it at that and not having pages and pages of boring tit for tat.



Now if it's ok with you, I am away at work for a while.

how about we wait and see what happens?



why isnt there the same amount of threads on Wakefields plight?



how come on the limited amount there is on Wakefields problems everybody is accepting how sad it is they are struggling and nobody is using it as a reason RL will never work in West Yorkshire?

mainly because your repetitive athon over celtics problems is boring and your constant repetition about 'organic growth' being the way to go is idiotic,

bingo!

There there.. No need to get so emotional





What's idiotic and repetitive is the way you constantly ram your opinion down the throats of and deride anyone who disagrees with you.



Maybe it's time that you and your 'ilk' just accepted the fact that you're in an ever shrinking minority of forum users who are becoming the subject of much ridicule for your angry rantings and complete denial of negative impacts of this current RFL cock up.



If you don't agree with what someone is saying, try accepting it rather than your tedious and vain attempts to change people over to your way of thinking. You're just making yourself like a stubborn little child throwing a tantrum.

honestly, really, read that back to yourself