Amor wasn't too happy when he was taken off in the first half, he was getting through the line with each carry and we lacked some "punch" when he was spelled.

Sorry but IMHO you could not be more wrong.



I never wanted Agar, always wanted Kear to stay.



However Agar does not send them out to play badly or lazy - poor players do that all for themselves.



Problem with sacking Agar now (who I agree won't win us anything) sends out all the wrong messages and makes life hard for the next coach.



Once players especially poor ones get it in theirs heads that when they can't or won't do as the coach asks, then basically by playing crap they can get a new coach who may give them an easier ride. If he doesn't then pull the same trick again and again.



Like him or not Agar must get a second season - even if all that achieves is to shift some dead wood and restore some continuity.



Get rid of Agar now and we are inviting anarchy into the dressing room - the time to sack Agar will be at the end of next season unless he confounds us all and does well.



Truth is there are not dozens of quality coaches waiting to coach us - so any belief that a new broom will turn this shambles around quickly is wishful thinking.



Last time we started sacking coaches it went Roe - Mc Nally - Smith. Apart from a freak Solomona/Domic inspired season the club deteriorated dramatically.



Let Agar do the graft for now until NM and pray we play well enough often enough to keep folk turning up - it's a gamble but a better one than hiring one second rate coach after another only for players to pick and chose who stays. The club is bigger than anyone or should be.

Agar should stay and sort out the mess. It's not Agar who drops the ball, makes dumb decisions, puts out rubbish passes, tries to tackle the likes of Hock and Lauaki around the shoulders, flies out of the line and misses the ball carrier completely, fails to smother the ball in tackles, misses tackles etc etc etc. He does need to start dropping some players and making them accountable for what they do on the pitch and he also needs to sort out our speed and fitness - a lot of our poor defence/tackling is down to being too slow and a yard away from where we should be - but keep him and make him earn his money. If he fails, get rid at the end of his contract but not now.

Good points there vasty,



Our only real hope will be some good quality signings in the close season. I just hope when we do recruit we are a liitle more shrewd than last season. I feel we jumped in with some rash signings and stupid long term contracts and that has limited our options to try and improve our squad.

Agreed. I just think Mr Elston got carried away a little. They handed out the 3 year contracts early on as they wanted the stability in place. The 2 things they got wrong were doing this before they got the coach in place who would have to work with the said players and then maybe not getting the right coach?

I am not giving up on RA just yet mind. I think he has to be given a full pre season with a squad of his choosing.

Elston didn't have a lot of chioce.

We were in a position of having to make signings without haveing a coach on board, which is far from ideal.

the really disappointing aspect at the moment is the number of totally unforced errors that we are making.

Passes into touch (ie not finding the winger/ centre, kicking out on the full and forcing the play when we get near the opponents line.

Ultimately we have too many average players and we need a little bit of class.

Don't agree with that assesment at all. After wigan scored there first try our game plan was non existent tackling was awful we failed to complete a set. Getting beat 52-10 at home people not bothad I am because we were appauling ! We DIDNT GIVE Tomkins space the first 20mins with good tactics he didn't like it one bit lashing out at 1 point. Agars team talks at half time must have been be utter garbage. I tell you what we wouldn't have lost like that with JK at the elm. Wigan had 5/6 kids in and we are happy with a 40 point loss pathetic. Kirmond built for 2nd row now Carmont allways going to skin him. Why not give young Cowling a go. POOR SHOW AND REF WAS GARBAGE

Even average don't make the unforced errors we make.

An important point, yet Trinity are scared to give some young lads a shot. They would learn far more about themselves by playing against Wigan then they would in the twentys,

An important point, yet Trinity are scared to give some young lads a shot. They would learn far more about themselves by playing against Wigan then they would in the twentys, I concede its easier to introduce young players into a dominant team.

Not the same at all.

I'm all for playing the kids but Wigan's kids are not the same as ours.

Wigan are in a class way above us. I agree we may as well try the young guys out, there is nothing to loose thanks to Widnes and London (not our skills). However no matter how many of our yong guns we played today Wigan were going to win. Where can you seem our next win coming from?