Building a defensive structure which is what gives you the platform for attacking flair RL on a regular basis ala Wigan or Warrington is far harder and takes a lot longer to get right. Look how long it took both those two money bags clubs to get it right.



Agreed Vasty. Only thing i would pick up on is the above, as a quality coach at Wigan (Mcguire) managed to transform the Wigan defence in pretty much one off season. Yes they had decent players already, but they were decent players performing nowhere near the levels they were capable of, and it took a good coach to change that.



Both Warrington and Wigan didnt get it right until they managed to get a quality coach. Obviously we are not as big a draw as them but im just not sure RA is good enough even for our current level. Having said that, like the majority, i agree he shouldnt really be judged until next season. Hopefully he will prove us all wrong.

I wasn't excited in the slightest when he was announced as head coach, I reckon he's an assistant coach at best. We should have definitely had more wins this year but I don't think the defeats are down to Agar. Player and referee mistakes are to blame for us missing out on at least 6 points.



As many have already mentioned, next season will be the one to judge him on. Elston seemed to be doing all the player recruiting pre-Agar (whether Agar was giving him the nod of approval is unclear) so next season he should have his own team built. That will be when we can start to see where the team is going.

Added to all that, can you imagine what we would have been like if Morrison hadn't been injured pre season.

We would have had an experienced Captain and motivator on the field from the start.

He would have made a massive difference to this side imho.

Good point

I said exactly that to someone last night - Morro was a big presence on the field in both attack and defence and would have made a difference in some of the tighter games we've had this season.

For what its worth Agars super league record with Hull was- won 43,Drawn 1,lost 52 thats 45.3 %

The only reason we signed Aiton was because Morrison had to retire. Would have been nice to have both in the team together

And that is awful with the players he had. I am tired of commenting on Agar. He has no idea, end of story. We looked, for the greater part of most early games this year, a shambles, we still look a shambles and frankly, I can't believe how everyone can't see that. 6 1/2 / 10...you are kidding. We are clueless - and there are some decent players in that squad. For me they just look like a badly drilled bunch of players who don't really believe in what they are doing. Our 6 win haul is below what we should have had by 5 wins for me...the coach is the reason as far as I am concerned. Someone said his contract was 70k a year. HOWWWW the hell did we decide to pay someone with that win ratio at Hull that kind of money? And give him 3 years. I would seriously be looking at negotiating a pay off at the end of the season; this year is nearly as dismal as last year and that is simply nowhere near good enough for the investment made. We need to GET RID!!!! I hate having to say this. I just wanted the whole new era to be possitive, but we look so bad, I just think it has to be said.

Our weekly pathetic defensive display is unacceptable & it sits with the coach.

Yes, once the team runs out he can't do anything, but monday to Saturday at training he can.

And clearly hasn't addressed it. Bizarre interchanges, no ability to do anything to change a game, strange after match comments which always involves some phrase about the positives from the game - even after a shambolic 10-52 defeat.

I for 1 am not impressed

I wonder if people's hold the same view of Agar now as they did only a few weeks ago.

Probably not, but as soon as we next lose they'll be out waving their nooses in the air again.. sigh.

Yes, would be interesting to hear the comments from the more vociferous posters above.



I was never an advocate for Agar's appointment but I always knew it would take time for any coach to build a side from scratch so was prepared to give him time.

Glad its started to come together. More to do but there always will be.