This.

Agar for me as to get us in or very close to top 8 next season or he should go, he as a chance to put his stamp on the squad,get rid of the slackers and bring in a bit or quality.. time is ticking Mr Agar...

I would give him until next season let him have a proper off season. I am quite worried our team makes the same daft errors week in week out and I didn't agree with Ellis going on loan and Trout preffered to Mariano most of the time. The brand of rugby he is trying to make us play is exciting, but its also frustrating i.e. a lot of fizz but no final product. Kear without doubt would be doing a better job with this current squad ! But I am prepared to give Agar half way through next season if we are not near the 8 I would sack him.

Problem Agar has is that building an attacking structure is fairly easy - If you have enough decent players then under the right condition good attacking RL will take place. As has been the case on occasion this season. Very few players at SL level have any problem joining the fun when the game is in their favour - hell if you can't enjoy that part of the game then you're in the wrong game.



Building a defensive structure which is what gives you the platform for attacking flair RL on a regular basis ala Wigan or Warrington is far harder and takes a lot longer to get right. Look how long it took both those two money bags clubs to get it right. It requires the right players and the right team structure and team spirit. The players who can do both week in week out - the hard yakka?? - as the Aussies call it are far thinner on the ground than your average decent player. Coaches know who they are but buying or keeping them for any length of time for a club like ours is almost impossible. These players are so in demand and so few.



Agar started the season not knowing how many of these players he had. He was fairly certain about Washbrook and Aiton - probably expected more from Southern. The rest he needed to get to know. He should know them by now and in the close season should get rid of a fair few. He will hopefully replace them with better tougher players who will allow us to play more often and not come unstuck if the game gets tight. If he doesn't do this he is a wally.



Kyle Wood is an obvious example. He has a decent but not exceptional attacking game. However he can't tackle and he never will - it's to late now to change him he's 22?. You can carry a genius but he isn't. English coaches need to address the fact that in RL the ability to defend/tackle is the most important core skill and the only one IMHO all players must have without exception - I don't care how big or fast they are.



Agar will have to address this in the close season. If he does we will be a much better team than this year - if he doesn't he will be out of a job. Over to you Richard, next season is the one big chance you have left. I sincerely wish you all the best, we all should.

Building a defensive structure which is what gives you the platform for attacking flair RL on a regular basis ala Wigan or Warrington is far harder and takes a lot longer to get right. Look how long it took both those two money bags clubs to get it right.



Agreed Vasty. Only thing i would pick up on is the above, as a quality coach at Wigan (Mcguire) managed to transform the Wigan defence in pretty much one off season. Yes they had decent players already, but they were decent players performing nowhere near the levels they were capable of, and it took a good coach to change that.



Both Warrington and Wigan didnt get it right until they managed to get a quality coach. Obviously we are not as big a draw as them but im just not sure RA is good enough even for our current level. Having said that, like the majority, i agree he shouldnt really be judged until next season. Hopefully he will prove us all wrong.

I wasn't excited in the slightest when he was announced as head coach, I reckon he's an assistant coach at best. We should have definitely had more wins this year but I don't think the defeats are down to Agar. Player and referee mistakes are to blame for us missing out on at least 6 points.



As many have already mentioned, next season will be the one to judge him on. Elston seemed to be doing all the player recruiting pre-Agar (whether Agar was giving him the nod of approval is unclear) so next season he should have his own team built. That will be when we can start to see where the team is going.

Added to all that, can you imagine what we would have been like if Morrison hadn't been injured pre season.

We would have had an experienced Captain and motivator on the field from the start.

He would have made a massive difference to this side imho.

Good point

I said exactly that to someone last night - Morro was a big presence on the field in both attack and defence and would have made a difference in some of the tighter games we've had this season.

For what its worth Agars super league record with Hull was- won 43,Drawn 1,lost 52 thats 45.3 %

The only reason we signed Aiton was because Morrison had to retire. Would have been nice to have both in the team together

And that is awful with the players he had. I am tired of commenting on Agar. He has no idea, end of story. We looked, for the greater part of most early games this year, a shambles, we still look a shambles and frankly, I can't believe how everyone can't see that. 6 1/2 / 10...you are kidding. We are clueless - and there are some decent players in that squad. For me they just look like a badly drilled bunch of players who don't really believe in what they are doing. Our 6 win haul is below what we should have had by 5 wins for me...the coach is the reason as far as I am concerned. Someone said his contract was 70k a year. HOWWWW the hell did we decide to pay someone with that win ratio at Hull that kind of money? And give him 3 years. I would seriously be looking at negotiating a pay off at the end of the season; this year is nearly as dismal as last year and that is simply nowhere near good enough for the investment made. We need to GET RID!!!! I hate having to say this. I just wanted the whole new era to be possitive, but we look so bad, I just think it has to be said.