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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"I'd also like to see the liberties that players take in the ruck dealt with - at present, the ref walks them through every step of clearing the ruck (held, movement, release etc) which results in the ridiculous spectacle of players clearly holding the tackled man down, whilst looking at the ref, waiting for him to issue the next instruction.'"
Don't forget the tackled player holding on in an effort to make it appear as though the tackler will not release him. An equally ridiculous spectacle, and one that is more likely to milk a penalty.
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| Quote snowie="snowie"scums are not scrums they are just cuddles that they can just peel off to get back into the game'"
But they do trap at least half the players on the field in a very small area, which gives a lot of space to the halves, centres and wingers to do something, if they'd take the risk, or ship the ball out quickly enough.
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| Quote RebelRebel="RebelRebel"Don't forget the tackled player holding on in an effort to make it appear as though the tackler will not release him. An equally ridiculous spectacle, and one that is more likely to milk a penalty.'"
Fair point, but I think that what you're describing has come into the game as a direct result of what I described; players expect to get held down now and know they won't get a quick ptb, so they hold on for a penalty as a form of compensation. If the defenders were required to clear the ruck more quickly, the attacking player would focus on getting up to ptb, rather than trying to react to being held down by overtly demonstrating that he is being held down.
Aussie coaches have broken the system with their wrestlemania tactics; it could be fixed by reverting to an expectation that you'll complete a tackle then get up, not that you'll lay on as long as possible, then roll and climb all over the tackled player and wait for the ref to tell you what to do next.
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| The 'contested' scrum became a farce in the late 70s/early 80s, which led to the change of interpretation (even though the rules stayed pretty much the same). The scrum was reformed 2 or 3 times and then a penalty was awarded. With the advent of the turn-over, the number and importance of the scrums was reduced significantly.
It still has a role to play, but to hold up RU scrums as an example of how it should be done is fallacy as they never go against the head either and just waste time and energy and require specialised 'atheletes'. I would just make the refs police the packing down, make them bind properly or award a penalty, which would slow down players escaping from the scrum and increase the effectiveness of the situation. From a spectators perspective the current scrums are untidy and seem half-hearted and pointless.
As for forward passes, when I played I'd always assumed that the difference between RL and RU was that in RL flat was forward and this seemed to be the interpretation used although, as I discovered when I did a coaching course, it was never true. A minor change in the wording of the laws would have a significant effect, i.e. the ball must be passed backwards rather than the ball must not be passed forwards.
I agree that the technology to automatically detect a forward pass would be possible. You could combine the GPS system with an accelerometer in the ball which could detect any acceleration of the ball in a forward direction at the time of the pass. It would make a good project for an electronics student and if I were more switched on I would have patented the idea before disclosing it on a public forum.
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| Quote snowie="snowie"have a think Baz RU is far from slow
ask your self why the crowd levels have dropped so far from the sixties to what we have now,
we only have a few clubs that can boast a decent attendance and even 11-12k isn't something to brag about,
with the change in the game do you not think scrums are pathetic and could be the reason for some leaving the game
[uI'd have contested scrums back any day but that was part of what I grew up with[/u'"
And would you like black and white telly and horses with carts.
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| No thanks. In recent RU internationals at least 20 minutes of the game is wasted in setting the scrum!
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| RL scrums have never been pretty (not in the last 25 years) even when they were "contested". Its just a different way of re-starting the game, as opposed to a tap or ptb.
In yawnion the scrums take forever, but on tv they go back to the studio for a chat and so time passes more quickly.
During the game on Sunday there were 2 or 3 occasions where Smith just put the ball round the second rowers leg and carried on. The ball never entered the scrum, even by todays standards.
Instead of a scrum we could just hand the ball over after a knock on, as we do on after the last tackle, although do we really need to speed the game up any more ?
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| Quote bazzo44="bazzo44"Crowd levels have not dropped because of the scrums,crowds have dropped becaues there is more to do now on sundays. Kids do not go out of ther bedrooms, so thet are not going to go to the games. Years a go there was nothing to do on sundays so people went to watch rugby'"
You're right it's miles from slow, it's completely pedestrian
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| Get rid of the scrum, outdated rubbish that is boring to watch.
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| If huge score lines become the norm, a reduction in the number of tackles should be considered.
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| Yeh Rebel Rebel, plenty of midweek matches then due to postponements. Really something to look forward to in the working week.
Stood in snow and sleet at Fartown, Watersheddings,Thrum hall etc then a few beers n fish n chips on way home.
Paradise.
We had our favourite watering holes on the way home.
One I remember on moors outside Oldham sold ale straight from wooden cask, porued from a jug. Oldham breweries I seem to remember.
Cant remember name of pub.
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| Quote TFC="TFC"Get rid of the scrum, outdated rubbish that is boring to watch.'"
i understand your sentiment, i think you make the argument for having quick scrums, but i'd still keep them as it takes 12 players out of the game and allows for a different shape to attacks for 1-3 tackles as a result.
i want them to be as quick as possible, but i would like the defending hookers to have a chance at winning the ball, not an even chance but a 1/5 chance.
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