Fantastic post - spot on in all areas!

I'm confused, Jeffries = total turd or Jeffries = so good the rest can't read his plays! At least we've got 3 years to argue it out...

Can we not have a discussion of performance without it being dragged into the scapegoat issue, which ends up colouring points on both sides. Disregard the scapegoat issue for a minute and judge the performance in that one game. In my view, of the signings, his performance was the weakest. Effort was there, but too many mistakes and his default option did seem to be a rather limited inside ball.

To be honest I think BJ is on to a hiding because many of us dont understand it as a signing and were of the opinion we needed a stand off who would attack the line, the word of fans near me was they felt he had really been signed for if danny brough goes! Think he already has the scapegoat tag, like it or not.



in the other side for a player ive never liked i can understand the newton signing, king looked good for a first game, and the backs were good with what they got. again like others im worried we have a lot of players with a known injury record and wonder how many times we will get the first choice 17 out this season.

Didnt enjoy it much as a game to be honest, thought the whole thing was very subdued, the delay didnt help.

You're doing well with only one.



At Wigan, we have four.

Fielden, Riddell, Pryce and Roberts.



They get blamed for everything, from the recession to global warming, it's all their fault.

Don't worry we do have back up, a reserve "scapegoat bench" if you like, just in case Ben comes good

Agree on every word.









I am not going to be weighing up performances of both half backs but I wholeheartly agree with Bloomers BJ's effort was there for all to see but the application and performance was lacking.

Didn't go to the game but reading comments on here it appears that the scrum half avoided criticism from you lot by doing nothing, so pray tell why are you not interested weighing up both performances while quick off the mark to criticise the one play maker that, according to others, was willing to stick his hand up?

I await your answer with baited breath

Because as I see it, the thread isn't about Brough, and I'm having to read ridiculous spin which goes as far as suggesting it's not BJ's fault, the other 16 don't understand him.



If you want to open the debate up to Brough, fine; if he was that anonymous week in, week out, he wouldn't be worth the money we are offering to try and keep him. Equally I'm not judging BJ on one game. Let's see how he gets on in when the season starts proper. However, what I saw yesterday didn't bode particularly well, with the same poor decision making I remember too much of from before. And therein is part of the reasons why even simple scapegoating isn't so simple, and where a comparison with Brough fall's down - our past experience of the two is rather different.

Here you are then, Danny Brough was far from his best yesterday made good yards from penalties and distributed the ball in the middle with not much effect, kicks made the leeds side turn around but largely ineffective.



Why am I not weighing up both performances?

a) We know how good brough is we know he is quality and has shown in the past he needs a few games to get going im not worried one iota how he'll perform this season.



b) We also know how "good" or not as the case maybe ben jeffries is, we know his faults and also what he brings to a side. Yesterday he put in the effort (this may have been good enough a few years ago when he was here and when we were battling relegation) however as the team improves and expectations rise so does the requirements of 1 of the key position's within a side.



I wasn't overly enthused when we signed him and I know a lot of other people who share the same opinion, and what I was looking for yesterday was some signs of improvement from BJ but he didn't make any breaks, kicked out on the full iirc and just made the same old mistakes as he did before along with an ineffective inside ball nearly every set and just reminded me of the same old, im willing to give him more of a chance but im not hopeful.

I'm no fan of Jeffries, but i am certainly prepared to give the bloke a chance. Kear knows what he is doing and to sign him on a three year deal shows confidence in the lad.



Yesterday he wasn't at his best although many weren't. He didn't get the best supply and resorted to the drop off pass. But for Morton's try, he threw a superb pass and showed promising vision with an early kick out wide which i'm sure if it had come off people would be singing his praises.



He'll get better as will the rest of the players. If halfway through the season he isn't doing the business then fair enough, but after his first game back, a meaningless friendly where only a few stood out. I find it a little harsh.

some planks on here



its a meaningless game the day after having a belly full of sprouts and xmas pudding,they get to celebrate xmas aswell you know, i'll give my opinion on him after a handfull of games into the season when it matters, untill then will you give the lad a break