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| Quote jonh="jonh"Totally agree, I felt Marsh was shocking last night and left Pryce high and dry and he did well. The tackle on Hodgson probably the best finisher in the game was outstanding text book tackle. Many times I have seen him offered the outside and take it, last night the door was well and truly shut.
Some seem to criticise him on another thread for "only being effective from 10 yards out". I find this very odd. The current game is about building pressure and winning the field position. Having players like Pryce who can finish the pressure so effectively is a real feather in our cap.
He is without doubt behind Goulding and rightly so, but for me he is worth 1 more year, if we are in the same position as we are now in 12 months time I agree let him go, but I personally feel he does have something to offer although I also would prefer to see him in the centre.
Regards enthusiasm or lack of it, see Marsh's marker work for the match winning try. He had every opportunity to put Brough under pressure for the kick, but simply went through the motions took 3 steps from the marker then stopped and jogged back to the centre spot allowing Brough an eternity to put in the match winning kick. He is young and will learn but these young lads have no excuse for lacking enthusiasm.'"
You are KP's Dad, Rouges is his Uncle and I claim my give pounds  .
The pair of you blaming March one of the most ridiculous things I have seen either of you post. KP was at fault not Marsh. He was out of position not because he was covering Marsh he was just in the wrong place! KP was outplayed by his opposite right wing who was also a big lad who looked a far better player. KP doesn't make any yards taking the ball out of defence, he doesn't make any breaks anywhere on the pitch and Hudds kicked behind him because they know he can't turn quickly. He's just not good enough to warrant a place in the side at 24.
As to it being a feather in out cap we have a player who can finish from 10 yards out he needs to do more than that. He is being carried most of the game by his team mates and if you can't see that then you must be blind IMO.
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| Quote ABP'="ABP'"He hasn't got the enthusiasm and the ability to step upto the marker in such a pivotal and creative position. I have the upmost confidence to say Karl Pryce will never be a regular centre for Wigan.
He's entering his third year with Wigan aged 24 playing in the U20's without doing anything to cement his place within the first team.
It's not doing Wigan, our youngsters or Karl himself any favours.'"
I completely agree with not just this but your opening post. Pryce was poor and showed once again that he is no winger. However as you say he is certainly no centre either.
Pryce is far too slow, lacks acceleration and has the turning circle of a tank which makes him a liability at times. If some of Huddersfields kicks had been better and he was playing against a better winger than Hodgson then he would have been caught out much more yesterday. Hodgson showed that he hasnt really improved from his Wigan days and has lost the pace that he used to have.
Even the things that people are praising him for are when he recovered after missing a tackle or when he was out of position in the first place. This and his wrong decisions constantly put the team under pressure when it didnt need to be. In attack his lack of work rate is embarrassing and when he does make a drive he just trundles it up and gets tackled after a few yards. He just does not offer enough.
I also think that the Pryce fans who are trying to blame Marsh for Pryce's failings are way off the mark. Marsh is no centre and he wasnt great by any means but he certainly wasnt the weak link like some are trying to make out and was no worse than Pryce.
There is no way that Pryce deserves to be retained and he is just wasting a squad place. If injuries do occur I would much rather see Charnley and Marsh get games than Pryce and thus I see little reason to keep him.
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| Dave, you've posted some cr@p in your time, but to suggest that Pryce was outplayed by a player on the opposite side of the field is taking to to extremes. Surely he outplayed Richards his opposite number.
Do you think that Pryce outplayed his winger Hodgson?
Famous,
David Hodgson is Superleagues second top try scorer behind Pat Richards.
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| I still don't know where we should play him. He's too slow for wing or centre, and too lazy for second row.
I think Brian Carney summed him up well when we forced that drop-out with the kick to Dodgy, and he was 10 yards behind Marsh on the chase. (no doubt Rogues will point out, quite correctly, that he got there eventually...).
And where he was wandering off to when Robinson scored is anyone's guess. Did he forget which wing he was playing on?
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Famous, David Hodgson is Superleagues second top try scorer behind Pat Richards.'"
So you think he is a good player? I dont and as Cudjoe is also near the top then I would say it is more to do with the way that Huddersfield play. If I dont think that Pryce's 13 tries in 9 games makes him a good player I certainly dont buy into that argument with Hodgson.
Yesterday Hodgson was very dodgy under 2 kicks, one resulting in a try and the other almost doing. He is also no where near as quick as he was at Wigan. At various times yesterday he also lacked the confidence to back himself. Based on this and other times I have seen him this year I dont think he is any better.
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| That Pryce isn't everyone's cup of tea is obvious but why should he be?
He has been 18th man for the past number of games therefore hasn't played 1st team not U20s. He's not played for weeks. He was 18th man last night and when Goulding pulled up in the warm up he went out there.
He did ok for me against a form wingman. Our trouble was that we were missing Roberts, Gleeson, Goulding and lost Carmont during the game. Joel went to left centre when he plays all his rugby on the right side.
In the 2nd half when Hudds spread the ball wide we were all over the place.
Marsh and Joel both struggled at centre. On their right Lawrence and Cudjoe had a field day. Two lads who have height, power and pace.
Having said that is we only had a 56% completion rate then it's no wonder we lost. That is down to the team not one or two men.
As far as Pryce's long term future is concerned, there is no point if he is not going to be played and is used as a player of last resort, as yesterday. If it is true Bradford have offered him a 2 year deal then he will probably go back.
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| Just one question -why is Charnley still at at HKR when we were so woefully weak in the centre positions yesterday?
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| Quote lilylaner="lilylaner"Just one question -why is Charnley still at at HKR when we were so woefully weak in the centre positions yesterday?'"
Because we only had one centre out and Charnley obviously wasnt going to get picked. Marsh has been the first choice back up all season and was chosen to replace Gleeson.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"I'd like to see him given a run at centre.'"
Your kidding, right?
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| For what it's worth I thought during the game we should have switched Pryce to centre and Marsh to the wing. I don't think Pryce was doing that badly but his lack of pace was quite worrying at times. After Marsh bombed what would have been a simple walk in try had he passed to Pryce I thought we'd have been much better off having someone with decent handling and a bit of size in the centres and someone with Marsh's pace on the wing.
As for Pryce's defence, they were trying the little kicks to the corner trying to turn him round. No one can claim Pryce is going to trouble anyone for pace but to be honest nearly any winger would struggle to deal with kicks in behind when they have to turn and chase the ball. The winger always has the advantage. Goulding has struggled with those before, as has Pat Richards.
However, they used that tactic against us in the previous games as well. That time Goulding dropped back 5 to 10 yards on the 4th and 5th tackles and dealt with the kicks easily. I think some of our players weren't thinking about defence and were too focused on how they were going to attack.
I personally think Pryce is too slow for a winger. There's no doubting that Pryce can do very well there. With his height and size there is plenty about him that can trouble a defence, but I just don't see him being able to cement a place in the side on the wing. I do think centre would suit him better, but it would probably need a run of a few games in that position to really get him up to speed. I don't see him being favoured over Charnley in that position though.
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| My opinion is if we let Price go to another Super League club he will not come back to haunt us.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Dave, you've posted some cr@p in your time, but to suggest that Pryce was outplayed by a player on the opposite side of the field is taking to to extremes. Surely he outplayed Richards his opposite number.'"
You know exactly what I meant and so does everybody else. Their big right wing was better than our big right wing. He made breaks against a better player than Pryce faced on his side of the pitch at looked 10 times more threatening. I draw your attention to him because he is of similar build to Pryce but far more mobile and threatening.
Quote Rogues GalleryDo you think that Pryce outplayed his winger Hodgson?'"
No. Do you?
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