Will 'selectors' on here please stop putting Hock on the bench. It's daft.

Why? Because he's a tremendous impact player against a tiring defence?

That's your opinion, I am entitled to mine.



I think Hock has more impact coming off the bench.

what he said!

hock is an impact player, he isnt effective for 80 mins

Parroting that line again and again doesn't make it any more sensible. Hock is one of our top players and should start every time. Obviously the coach thinks so too.

OK so you're an opposing coach and Hock starts, what do you do? You send 3 men in on the tackle and make sure he's ineffective.



OR - Noble starts him off the bench like at the end of last season then bring him in for 20 min bursts against tired defences; just like he did at the end of last season wher Hock was playing out of his skin.

None of that makes either the coach or you any more right than anybody else on here.



Hock is superb in attack against tiring defences, particularly in the last 10 mins of the first half and the last 20 of the 2nd half. He gets frustrated when he has little or no impact against a fresh defence, gets knackered, makes mistakes, daft offloads etc.



More importantly, he is a lazy defender. Not only lazy but misses more tackles than any other forward at our club and most in Superleague.



We have a habit of going behind early in games and when we do, we have only come back once this season out of four games. A good defensive start is crucial. Hock doesn't provide this.



IMO, Hansen and Tomkins are a much better starting back row, with Hock off the bench.



Nobody is parrotting any line to make it more sensible, they can just see things that you can't.

I hope I don't get slammed for this, but has Goulding ever had a spell on the wing? Fast player, got strength but maybe isn't ready to play centre at SL level? He barely finds his winger and at times is sloppy in defense.



Don't shoot me, it's just a thought!

He has played winger before and has a tendency to come inside on defence. Tew right wing spot is a problem IMO. No-one looks good enough out of Roberts, Pryce, Phelps or Goulding.



As for getting shot, wouldn't it be great if Mathers could find his feet and we could get Pat back where he belongs?

I agree with everything you've just said.

The winger situation is a tricky one. Most will say give Roberts/Pryce time to come good, but for me there seems to be a lack of motivation in both players.



You would think Pryce would be dying to get a game after being sidelined for so long. I was also a little irritated by the comments made by Noble who said he wanted Roberts to have a game without 'pressure'.

If it was a 17-18 young lad I would agree, but realistically shouldn't Roberts be at a stage in his career where he can handle the pressure? He is a 28yr old Oz import with bangs of 1st grade experience. He's having to play without 'pressure' while we have 2 young Wigan lads thriving on it as arugably our best players in the first team. Strange.