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| Unless DH has found a load of money down the back of the sofa or won the Euromillions I don't know how we can have our own ground, much as though I would love to see it.
I'm wondering if in the absence of Mark Evans at HRU are they less keen on having us around ? Is DH picking up a vibe that they want us to move out? I think the Stoop is a great stadium, in truth its the only thing about our becoming Harlequins that I like, but I wouldn't shed a single tear if we ended our current situation of having their name and their colours , and being able to move to our own ground as a stand alone London RLFC!
Thing is where would we go? Finding somewhere in London ain't gonna be easy (just ask AFC Wimbledon) so without ground sharing at another football club (maybe at a revamped Crystal Palace, without the running track?) the only other option I can think of would be if we could take over one of the Olympic facilities such as the hockey stadium post 2012. And thats going to start the 'we can't move away from West London' arguments !
The fact DH is actually going public about this is making me think our landlords want us to move on, maybe he's looking to get us a better long term deal elsewhere?
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| Is Tesco looking to build a store anywhere near by but having issues with planning?
They like to chuck in a "community" stadium to get around planning.
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| Quote dids858="dids858"Is Tesco looking to build a store anywhere near by but having issues with planning?
They like to chuck in a "community" stadium to get around planning.'"
Funny you should say that, they were looking to build on the site of the old Woolwich Building Society HQ at Bexleyheath some time ago. Bit of a pig to get to on public transport though as there's no train or tube nearby.
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| Quote Rob from Erith="Rob from Erith"Unless DH has found a load of money down the back of the sofa or won the Euromillions I don't know how we can have our own ground, much as though I would love to see it.
I'm wondering if in the absence of Mark Evans at HRU are they less keen on having us around ?
I said at the time he said he was leaving that this was a possible scenario, coupled with the leaving of the chairman following the bloodgate scandal as he was also a vocal supporter of us.
Thing is where would we go? Finding somewhere in London ain't gonna be easy (just ask AFC Wimbledon) so without ground sharing at another football club (maybe at a revamped Crystal Palace, without the running track?)
the only other option I can think of would be if we could take over one of the Olympic facilities such as the hockey stadium post 2012.
If the facilities are suitable I think this would be a great idea if the post games decions havn't already been made.
I don't mind a sharing option along the lines of Hull FC or Huddersfield where the Council is the owner and you have long term security, but being a tenant of a football club will never work. They just want to suck you dry for as much as they can to achieve their own sporting ambitions.
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| What about West Hams ground if they are moving out?
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| Quote "The club currently ground share with rugby union club Harlequins at the Twickenham Stoop and will remain there for the next Super League licence period if their application is successful.
"That's our stadium for the three years," Hughes said." unquote
he is thinking long term, and has this not been what London broncos/quins/travellers allways aspired to? I dont think he is saying we are looking at building our own stadium in the near future, and if he turned round and said "nope this is it we are staying at the Stoop as long as the club survives" then he would look daft if we then did move
It has to be something we could strive for, purely on revue income from all the add ons that yr own ground has
we will see
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| Quote mickyb1234="mickyb1234"Quote "The club currently ground share with rugby union club Harlequins at the Twickenham Stoop and will remain there for the next Super League licence period if their application is successful.
"That's our stadium for the three years," Hughes said." unquote
he is thinking long term, and has this not been what London broncos/quins/travellers allways aspired to? I dont think he is saying we are looking at building our own stadium in the near future, and if he turned round and said "nope this is it we are staying at the Stoop as long as the club survives" then he would look daft if we then did move
It has to be something we could strive for, purely on revue income from all the add ons that yr own ground has
we will see'"
Spot on.
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| Quote Homer="Homer"Even though this is a theoretical debate, that is a small minded comment which takes no account for what other considerations are, or could be in play.
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Current costs of staying where we are coupled with little to no ongoing revenue streams by use of the facilities outside of 14 game days.
Investment from a council [only way to contemplate a move imo in a sports arena in an area currently not served well, riding on the back of a "feel good" Olympics. [some forward thinking required there given current public sector finances
Perceived understanding that despite all good intentions West London/Twickenham will probably never come to embrace this sport enough as a community.
If we stay as we are under the circumstances we operate in, then we will never be able to be anything other than a hand to mouth outfit.'"
I think that is harsh tbh. I stand by my comments. We should work with what we have and work with Harlequins RU to make a sustainable home for ourselves. Saracens managed, so did Sale, so did Leeds Carnegie etc. Why can't we?
This doesn't take 5 or 10 years, it takes more than that. Stating that after 5 years at the ground that Rugby League will never work in West London/Twickenham is ridiculous. It won't work anywhere in London within that time period. Moving again would be utter madness, unless we were absolutely forced into doing so by our landlord.
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| Quote LesT="LesT"What about West Hams ground if they are moving out?'"
I'd assume they are selling the land for property much like ar*enal did with their old stadium to raise money for the club.
Would be great if we moved there though as it would half my journey time to home games!
DH said the stoop is our home for our next 3 year licence so we are just talking about long term speculation here but our own ground would be awesome, just hope wherever it is it's near a train station!
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| Quote Dave Lister="Dave Lister"I think that is harsh tbh. I stand by my comments. We should work with what we have and work with Harlequins RU to make a sustainable home for ourselves. Saracens managed, so did Sale, so did Leeds Carnegie etc. Why can't we?'"
Watford have activated a clause kicking Saracens out of Vicarage Rd.
Sale managed to grab themselves a stadium when Brian Kennedy shafted Stockport County.
Leeds Carnegie are spending an extra £1million (they don't have) this season in a desperate bid to stay up because they can't afford to get relegated again. Bankrolled by the Rhinos no doubt.
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| Quote nadera78="nadera78"Watford have activated a clause kicking Saracens out of Vicarage Rd.
Sale managed to grab themselves a stadium when Brian Kennedy shafted Stockport County.
Leeds Carnegie are spending an extra £1million (they don't have) this season in a desperate bid to stay up because they can't afford to get relegated again. Bankrolled by the Rhinos no doubt.'"
My point was though that partnerships were set up and worked on, to relative success (for Saracens at least, wasn't aware they were being kicked out - any idea why?).
Leeds Carnegie aren't bankrolled by the Rhinos either.
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| Quote Dave Lister="Dave Lister"I think that is harsh tbh. I stand by my comments. We should work with what we have and work with Harlequins RU to make a sustainable home for ourselves. Saracens managed, so did Sale, so did Leeds Carnegie etc. Why can't we?
This doesn't take 5 or 10 years, it takes more than that. Stating that after 5 years at the ground that Rugby League will never work in West London/Twickenham is ridiculous. It won't work anywhere in London within that time period. Moving again would be utter madness, unless we were absolutely forced into doing so by our landlord.'"
If we don't make the Stoop work and build the fanbase over the next franchise I don't see how we could viably exist with our own stadium (unless outside SL). Thinking positively, if we did grow fanbase to a more sustainable level (5000+) would we really want to move outside West London and risk having to build numbers up again ?
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