Also, some of the stuff Salford dish out is out of order. They take playing it hard a step too far. Late hits, swinging arms and high stuff. Not good and I think the ref let them get away with too much yesterday not that this is any excuse for the result.

And another thing, the PTB!



We put the ball down and take an age to put a foot on it. In the interim period the opposition defence has run up and shut us down. We can't even play the bloody ball right! Bailey is the only one who plays it properly; as soon as it is on the ground he's got it played. Look at Eorl; he takes an age to play the ball.



Basic, basic stuff. And we don't do it. I'm proper worried for us and can't see us winning squat knowing we have the potential to serve up that dross when the opposition get in our faces. We wilt when we should front up. It's not good at all.

Shame the players can't get as fired up as you seem to be Danril!

Friday will tell us all we need to know about the rest of our season I think. Regardless of the outcome (I think we will lose- Cas is a tough place to go at the best of times but without brough and possibly grix it's asking much) the way they respond is key. Last season after a loss they played well. We need to run harder, tackle harder and improve our line speed. I want to see those players leaving the field absolutely knackered!

Blimey Danril! Any chance you could do they team talk next Friday? The team could certainly do with some of that passion!

The bottom line is I don't think there was one area where we couldn't say we didn't need to improve on. Salford fully deserved their win - in fact they deserved a wider scoreline - but to me that was more to do with our performance than theirs.

Exactly! We beat ourselves!



I also thought some of the chanting by us yesterday prior to the realisation that we were getting pumped was ridiculous too. We were basically goading them like we were going to win. And these fans have seen how we play! Some of them are dumber than the players are playing, and that takes some doing.



We need to be more careful about what we chant and focus more on ourselves than the opposition.

Zero comments from the coaching staff about this game so far. The silence is deafening.

Anderson did have some comments --



Giants coach Paul Anderson admitted his side's performance "wasn't good enough" but was critical of Salford's aggressive approach, claiming they were guilty of a host of "cheap shots".



"It seemed that way," he said. "Broughy was knocked to the ground after he passed the ball.



"My disappointment once Broughy and Eorl (Crabtree) and Robbo (Luke Robinson) got knocked out was that, our blokes didn't rip in and absolutely knock 10 bells out of the bloke that did it because one cheap shot deserves another."

Not seen those comments on the web (Ah, found at skysports website). I have also made the point that we didn't do anything about it when these shots came in. We didn't fire in. There wasn't even a raised voice most likely. They didn't stick up for each other.

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spot on dan, we just seem to let opposition bully us , koppy and crabtree just aren't aggressive type forwards in the mould of mason,griffin,o'donnell etc, even larne who is our most destructive forward doesn't come across as an enforcer.



but lets face it yesterday, we were outclassed and outenthused in every area of the pitch, i know we had disruptions but surely we could have coped with 1 or 2 positional changes but we just seemed to accept defeat too easily.

i don't mind losing when the opposition are better than us, which salford were, but i do mind losing without a fight,which we did, and thats the worse part, knowing that we haven't even put up a fight trying to win the game.



i suppose if we win the grand final then ultimately it won't matter, but when we get beat we get beat too easily, defensively we were a shambles yesterday and that was against a team lying 3rd from bottom with only 5 wins all season!

I thought we were extremely casual yesterday. Lots of little things done incorrectly. A lot of dropped ball, most of which was down to poor passing rather than catching. Ferres and Brough are suppossed to be our main leaders on the park but they were the most impatient.



Kick chase is normally very good for us, but they scored several tries on run back due to poor chase from us.



We did have a bit of disruption, but not convinced we knew what to do when Grix went off, we ended up changing the entire back line which I don't think worked at all (I think we should have put Broughton to FB, keeping the right as we started, Ta'ai, Ferres and Wardle has worked on the left before, instead we went makeshift everywhere and Salford exploited that.



Fair play to Salford who exploited our failings and their fans were in my opinion the best we have seen visit this season. None the less I still feel the key to their victory was our shortcomings.

agree with all of this, the makeshift part almost got us beat down at london too when connor went off injured but it didnt yesterday

As a Salford fan,you'll appreciate that the criticism that we were too aggressive is music to my ears.

Our pack has been beaten up for years ,including by you guys.

I've always really liked Eorl Crabtree but he now seems a bit of a gentle giant,and you obviously can't afford that if you're trying to mix it with Morley,Griffin and ,dare it say it,Lama Tasi