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| Quote dally messenger="dally messenger":qmmrj7cc
:qmmrj7ccthe funny thing is you actually believe the RFL wants to see champ clubs fail.:qmmrj7cc if it werent a fan of a champ club making that point id thinking the person was just trolling but you actually believe it'" :qmmrj7cc
that's the bit I don't understand either !  
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| Quote dally messenger="dally messenger"1. stronger finances
2. strong juniors
the ground was already in place so its those two'"
Widnes's current juniors were already signed 2/3 years ago
So we are back to having an ' investor ' being the only difference , in fact their playing strength was stronger back then than now
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Widnes's current juniors were already signed 2/3 years ago
So we are back to having an ' investor ' being the only difference , in fact their playing strength was stronger back then than now'"
stronger finances play an important part in professional RL clubs
if thats the only difference you ackowledge re widnes well its still a massive one
the RFL mustve failed there eh? you know with their plan to see champ clubs fail
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| Quote dally messenger="dally messenger"1. when maurice lindsay got 80 million odd pounds for sky didnt some of that go to champ clubs
2. the rfl got tv coverage of champ games helping them get exposure and sponsors
3. money from rfl subject to criteria
the funny thing is you actually believe the RFL wants to see champ clubs fail. if it werent a fan of a champ club making that point id thinking the person was just trolling but you actually believe it'"
So some money that Mo got 17 years ago ? , what did the SL clubs spend their money on 17 years ago ? , how much did the non SL clubs get ?
A TV deal that actually costs some clubs money in lost revenue
And that criteria is what ?
You dont understand , so stop pretending you do , I dont comment on the game in Australia , I dont because I dont know enough about it , just as you dont know enough about the game over here . or in NZ for that matter
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| Quote dally messenger="dally messenger":md8llcisstronger finances play an important part in professional RL clubs
if thats the only difference you ackowledge re widnes well its still a massive one
the RFL mustve failed there eh? you know with their plan to see champ clubs fail'" to recieve money from the RFL is not much use is it ?
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"So you admit the only difference is the investement of Steve O Connor [ an investement that quite possibly would stop if they dont get the nod in march and will other Championship clubs be able to attract similar investement without the guarantee of a path into SL as Widnes and Mr O Connor had ? , it would seem that Wakefield are not going to get similar investement because their SL position is in jeapody and a clear path will not be in place again in 3 years time
So that ' criteria ' for Championship clubs [ which is to help attract exactly the sort of investement that Steve O connor has provided to recieve money from the RFL is not much use is it ?'"
What absolute nonsense.
Do you think Wakefields position wouldnt be in jeopardy with P+R? of course it would.
and Every club in the championship has the same clear path as Widnes and Steve O'connor have.
And clearly if clubs need it, getting investment in, paid for by someone else, is no bad thing.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"So some money that Mo got 17 years ago ? , what did the SL clubs spend their money on 17 years ago ? , how much did the non SL clubs get ?
A TV deal that actually costs some clubs money in lost revenue
And that criteria is what ?
You dont understand , so stop pretending you do , I dont comment on the game in Australia , I dont because I dont know enough about it , just as you dont know enough about the game over here . or in NZ for that matter'"
you asked what the rfls done for them and i answered
sorry it doesnt fit in with your conspiracy theories
dont let the facts get in the way of it though cause its funny you actually believe it
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"So you admit the only difference is the investement of Steve O Connor [ an investement that quite possibly would stop if they dont get the nod in march and will other Championship clubs be able to attract similar investement without the guarantee of a path into SL as Widnes and Mr O Connor had ? , it would seem that Wakefield are not going to get similar investement because their SL position is in jeapody and a clear path will not be in place again in 3 years time
So that ' criteria ' for Championship clubs [ which is to help attract exactly the sort of investement that Steve O connor has provided to recieve money from the RFL is not much use is it ?'"
widnes got in steve oconner after they went into administration and had little chance of a SL license
youve got it all wrong
if champ clubs cant find an investor then they dont deserve to be in SL
SL isnt a charity for any club that wants a spot. clubs have to meet certain criteria before they gain entry
allowing lesser clubs into sl just dilutes the standard
if a champ club cant find a sugar daddy and / or new ground then they arnet fit for SL
its that simple
if you dont meet the criteria, tough luck
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| 2 Super Leagues.
Top SL to be called European SL.
2nd SL to be called UK SL
Either promote Toulouse into the European SL, or ship them back to the LER until they have everything in place.
Make sure the UK SL gets another game on sky sports each week taking the total games of RL to 4 at least.
These two Leagues would have the top (however many) clubs playing in them with the biggest/best clubs in the ESL.
How you work out who are the biggest clubs that get to compete in the ESL is anybodies guess.
But to be in either SL, you will have to reach a minimum standard set.
Expansion clubs and heartland clubs within the UK can play in the Championship until they themselves reach the minimum standard to reach the UK SL.
Once it has been established over a couple of seasons and has settled down, you could then have PR between the two Super Leagues.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"The clubs who built the league, the clubs who actually have something to sell are the ones who control what they have to sell. Well surprise surprise
and then leeds dont have as much money, dont put on as good a product, sky are willing to pay less for it, and so they have less money next time round, the product they put on is poorer, sky pay less for it, they have less money next time round, and so on and so forth. Yeah that sounds good for the game.
Those playing numbers will only come from expansion. It wont come from the place we already take all our players from and the TV money to sustain it comes from having a nationwide profile.
Fev could double their core support, In fact they could triple and rightly they would still struggle to get a franchise. Thankfully the game has moved away from clubs with 2/3/4/5k fans competing, this is a sign of strength not weakness. There is next to no industry in Fev so they will struggle for sponsors, they will struggle for corporate support, they will struggle for players as there are 5 other clubs in the immediate area, this again is a sign of strength not weakness.
Bringing in any side which doesnt have the potential to be better than we already have is pointless. If Fev only have the potential to be a poorer version of Wakefield, and Wakefield are damaged by not being in SL, what is the point in relegating Wakefield and seeing Fev promoted, taking that limited funding and putting it in to strengthening Fev? It would be worse the pointless, it would be counter--productive.
You seem to be also forgetting that the TV money is from the sale of Tv rights which belong to the SL clubs.'"
Oh no. Not another accountant. Knows the cost of everything but the "VALUE" of nothing . RL is doomed I tell you!!
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| Quote Cassandra="Cassandra"Oh no. Not another accountant. Knows the cost of everything but the "VALUE" of nothing . RL is doomed I tell you!!'"
we are seeing the value of a league based in small northern towns, its on its .
If you want to crow about the inherent 'VALUE' of small northern clubs fine, but if you want the game to survive you need to find £35m a year to support the game and the money it will lose
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| As I remember , the money offered by SKY in it's insception was to the RFL not SL. SL was thought up first then to dilute the finances further SLE was formed with no monies going to the lower divisions. No wonder there is a you and us attitude.
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