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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"yes, they re-negotiated the contract so that they were paid less in 2006 and re-negotiated new contracts from 2007. Thanks for confirming what i said'"
Play now , get paid later , they put them on hire purchase contracts , apart from Radlinski of course , he is now probably the highest paid reserve coach in the world 
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Play now , get paid later , they put them on hire purchase contracts , apart from Radlinski of course , he is now probably the highest paid reserve coach in the world
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which i agree should be regulated.
I have no gripe with contracts being unevenly spread throughout the length of the contract. That would be better for a clubs long term planning. But it shouldnt be done how Wigan did it.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"yes, they re-negotiated the contract so that they were paid less in 2006 and re-negotiated new contracts from 2007. Thanks for confirming what i said'"
It doesn't matter how much they were paid in 2006. What matters is how much they were paid for playing that season. Even if those payments were made later, or earlier. It's not a difficult concept and presumably was explained in the written judgement hence why I can find no further comments from Wigan.
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"'the spirit of the cap' is so vague as to be unenforceable'"
Except you say it was enforced.
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| Quote SBR="SBR"It doesn't matter how much they were paid in 2006. What matters is how much they were paid for playing that season. Even if those payments were made later, or earlier. It's not a difficult concept and presumably was explained in the written judgement hence why I can find no further comments from Wigan.'"
and that is where the problem arose. Wigan didnt pay those players that amount for playing in 2006. They paid them more in 2007/8/9/probably 10.
And that is why they werent punished for exceeding the cap by £220k
Quote SBRExcept you say it was enforced.'" you missed off quite a bit
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"and that is where the problem arose. Wigan didnt pay those players that amount for playing in 2006. They paid them more in 2007/8/9/probably 10.'"
And some of the money they paid them in later years was for playing in 2006. It is clear that this was the case, the players accepted not receiving the money in 2006 in return for revised contracts that saw them receiving that money in later years. It was still for playing in 2006 and so still counted on the 2006 salary cap.
I don't see any problem, apart from the punishment not being a sufficient deterrent. However since then both the punishments and the methodology of monitoring the cap have changed for the better. The current system would have prevented the breach which is much better than retrospectively punishing teams for breaches.
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"you missed off quite a bit'"
Only irrelevant speculation.
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| wow, and i get accused of trolling threads.
FMD whats wigans situation from 3 years ago got to do whether having a salary cap helps the game grow or not.
the funny thing is everytime i see someone arguing for the cap, they are 99.9% of the times either a wigan or a leeds fan.
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| Quote SBR="SBR"And some of the money they paid them in later years was for playing in 2006. It is clear that this was the case, the players accepted not receiving the money in 2006 in return for revised contracts that saw them receiving that money in later years. It was still for playing in 2006 and so still counted on the 2006 salary cap.
I don't see any problem, apart from the punishment not being a sufficient deterrent. However since then both the punishments and the methodology of monitoring the cap have changed for the better. The current system would have prevented the breach which is much better than retrospectively punishing teams for breaches.'"
i disagree, as did Wigan and the punishment from the RFL, and as such the RFL
but tbh this is just going in circles
Quote SBROnly irrelevant speculation.'" relevant to the point i made
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"i disagree, as did Wigan and the punishment from the RFL, and as such the RFL'"
You're saying the RFL punished them for not breaching the salary cap? When the RFL said they breached the salary they meant something else?
Quote SmokeyTA="The RFL"An independent RFL Tribunal has found Wigan Warriors guilty of breaching the 2006 Super League Salary Cap.'"
It's not particularly ambiguous, is it?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"but tbh this is just going in circles'"
Possibly because you (like Wigan) have failed to come up with any explanation as to how deferring a payment changes what that payment is for.
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| Quote dally messenger="dally messenger"
but as the comp. grows they all will be able to'"
unless I start Shi77ing £20 notes Quins RL will never be able to AFFORD to spend the full cap... 
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| Quote SBR="SBR"Possibly because you (like Wigan) have failed to come up with any explanation as to how deferring a payment changes what that payment is for.'"
Because, as Wigan argued and would have appealed. The payment wasnt for playing in 2006 but 2007 as per the contracts stipulation.
Whilst you (and the RFL) may wish to assume that Wigan payments in 2007 were actually for 2006 there is no evidence that is the case. The fact is that the RFL hadnt got rules in place to stop that and relied on vague and spurious reasoning to 'send out a message' hence the fact the actually punishment was completely arbitrary and not as per the rules set down. That is also why the RFL didnt fine Wigan as there is no way Whelan would have paid it and the RFL would have been laughed at by whatever arbiter they found
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Because, as Wigan argued and would have appealed. The payment wasnt for playing in 2006 but 2007 as per the contracts stipulation.'"
They didn't appeal. Presumably because they knew an appeal was unlikely to succeed.
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Whilst you (and the RFL) may wish to assume that Wigan payments in 2007 were actually for 2006 there is no evidence that is the case. The fact is that the RFL hadnt got rules in place to stop that and relied on vague and spurious reasoning to 'send out a message' hence the fact the actually punishment was completely arbitrary and not as per the rules set down. That is also why the RFL didnt fine Wigan as there is no way Whelan would have paid it and the RFL would have been laughed at by whatever arbiter they found'"
It's not complicated. The payments for 2006 that they deferred were still for 2006 when they were eventually made. It is highly unlikely an arbiter would rule otherwise hence the lack of any appeal.
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