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| Quote Cassandra="Cassandra"And don't use heartlands as an example or the expansionists will call you a "FLAT CAPPER".
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oops,I forgot....... 
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| Quote tb="tb"Given that the RFL constantly cite PSG (and Gateshead) as exactly the wrong way of doing things which won't be repeated and that's why clubs wanting to bid for a SL licence should come from the Championship (or comparable competition), I'd say they've learned at least some lessons from what we all agree was a disaster.'"
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| Quote tb="tb":1480g936Given that the RFL constantly cite PSG (and Gateshead) as exactly the wrong way of doing things which won't be repeated and that's why clubs wanting to bid for a SL licence should come from the Championship (or comparable competition), I'd say they've learned at least some lessons from what we all agree was a disaster.'" have been a roaring success 
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Yes , plan A was a disaster , plan B however [ the Celtic Crusaders have been a roaring success
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more a case of : Plan A being a badly conceived idea,destined to fail and Plan B being a sound idea but terribly mismanaged IMO
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| Quote sanjunien="sanjunien"more a case of : Plan A being a badly conceived idea,destined to fail and Plan B being a sound idea but terribly =#FF0000mismanaged IMO'"
By who ?
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"By who ?'"
well maybe by the comedians who put the club £2 million in debt,or made a horlicks of the players pensions or the visa debacle ? etc etc etc
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| Quote sanjunien="sanjunien"well maybe by the comedians who put the club £2 million in debt,or made a horlicks of the players pensions or the visa debacle ? etc etc etc'"
There are clubs in SL running up debts of millions with attendances around 7/8,000 and people are surprised that all this happened with the Crusaders getting half of that
It was plain to see in 2007 that the Celtic crusaders were no where near ready for SL , but the RFL had made a promise
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| Quote My question is simple, does SL represent what supporters want?'"
For me it does, it gives me top class Rugby, but I would like to see a Super League 2 made up of the better clubs in the Championship, with P&R between them.
Quote I ask that you dont just think about your clubs perspective, but the league in general and internationally.
Are we going backwards internationally with the loss of GB, but does the increasing standards in Wales and France compensate for that?'"
Both are doing better than they were, but I'd hope for more competition by them in the next 5-10 years, involving a lot of hard work by the European Rugby League, Super League, by including a second French team, and the RFL, by organising friendlies to get them game time.
Quote Are our clubs better served by the three year franchise, or is the end of P & R stiffling clubs?'"
For me, some clubs could do with a Relegation to help them like Huddersfield, but there isn't the quality of club in the Championship bar very few excpetions. If we can help get the financial support from somewhere to bring championship teams up to scratch, until then franchising is needed.
Quote Is SL a better product on the whole, or are we losing individuality amongst teams and players?
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The Sport in the UK would be dead with SL, but in terms of the game, I think it needs a little but more competitiveness, and I would *sigh* bring back competitive scrums.
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| Quote Conorgiantsfan="Conorgiantsfan"For me it does, it gives me top class Rugby, but I would like to see a Super League 2 made up of the better clubs in the Championship, with P&R between them.
Both are doing better than they were, but I'd hope for more competition by them in the next 5-10 years, involving a lot of hard work by the European Rugby League, Super League, by including a second French team, and the RFL, by organising friendlies to get them game time.
For me, =#FF0000some clubs could do with a Relegation to help them like Huddersfield, but there isn't the quality of club in the Championship bar very few excpetions. If we can help get the financial support from somewhere to bring championship teams up to scratch, until then franchising is needed.
The Sport in the UK would be dead with SL, but in terms of the game, I think it needs a little but more competitiveness, and I would *sigh* bring back competitive scrums.'"
You are actually admitting that relegation was a positive for Huddersfield 
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| Back on to the original question. by definition, a Rugby League supporter is someone who generally follows a primary team and may also follow others, as well as the game in general.
If you look at a list of attendance figures from say, 1990 or even 1994 and compare them to 2010, you will see that not only are attendances far superior now to "back in the days before SL', But also, with the exception of Widnes and leigh (and maybe Halifax...), the best supported clubs over the last 15 years are all in the elite division.
My club are the only fly in the ointment......Crusaders may well become another, but in general, the best suported teams being in the ESL would point to SL giving supporters what they want.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"You are actually admitting that relegation was a positive for Huddersfield
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Yep. It was, because instead of being beated 60-4 every week, we changed our focus, and we aimed to slowly build, and look where we are now. 3,400 average support 2003, 7,400 now.
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| Quote dally messenger="dally messenger"theyll go into administration, reform a new club in the champ. and sort themselves out from there
without the pressure of trying to fund a SL club which is beyond their current means theyll have time out of SL to get things right off the field
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I really hope you are right but I am sorry but I have already seen this scenario play out for the city cricket club folding in 1989 after almost 150 years.. a club I once saw Imran Khan play for...
for the rugby union club just after their centenary
[urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/rugby-union/When-crowds-flocked-to-see.1933898.jp[/url
I see the same pattern with Trinity and I fear the worst.
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