i can't believe i'm agreeing with you!!!!!!

Would you like to tell us where all these better options have been hiding for the last 32 weeks in that case, because they certainly haven't been playing in SL.



Burrow apart (and even he hasn't had a stellar year) I can't think of anyone available to Tony Smith who hasn't been selected that would be a significant difference maker.

my opinion of the world cup was he picked the wrong squad, picked the wrong players from that squad to play and most importantly didnt get the players to play as a team or be motivated





this year i can see bad selections in the squad, bad choice of players for the games played

i havnt seen the games so cant comment on teamwork and spirit - if there is a similar lack as 2008 they should sack him this weekend

while burrow hasn't hit the heights his display in last years world cup wasn't that bad and the fact he continues to play well when it counts means he should be in there. myler hasn't played since july. a shocking selection for me a this moment in time. but he does play for warrington of course.

i would have played pryce in the centres too. he offers far more both in attack and defence than shenton ever will.the french ran over him and the aussies and kiwis are bigger and tougher then them.

it's not just the selections. it's the discernable lack of any game plan or team spirit.. the world cup was the same. we look like a team of strangers.

if sinfield is to play you need to build the team around him and let him dictate play. when he was allowed to do that against france last year he was supurb. you would have thought smith would have known that from his leeds days.

seems to me the super dooper coach has no plan,no tactics and sends the team out hoping for the best. i hope i'm wrong, i just want to see us be competitive.

i fear the worst however

Again, who should be in that squad that isn't - given we accept that some players massively underperformed last time they were asked to step up at the World Cup?

I think you are missing the point, you can put any players out and we can debate them on their merit but that isnt the overriding problem is it, I think with the exception of 3 players the team almost picks itself but.............................



Its when they get out on to the park that the problems start, they look like a bunch of people that have just met for the first time and have been thrown an egg shaped ball.



Now compare that to the Aussies and New Zealand teams who actually have set patterns, run onto the ball at pace and are set up to defend knowing what is coming their way.

It's very easy to blame the coach but he just doesn't have the players.



Michael Schumaker could not win an F1 race in a triumph dolomite.



The best thing is that every man and his dog was slating noble for picking the same old tried and failed players game after game and not trying something different.

Do you know how many training sessons England had together as a squad ahead of Friday night's game?



Three.



The players from Leeds and Saints were given a week off after the Grand Final to recover, so the team didn't get together until Monday IIRC.



Both the Aussies and the Kiwis had an extra week of preparation due to their domestic seasons finishing a week earlier, and if you look at their respective squads most of the key players were available to train as a group before that as they were from teams that didn't make the NRL GF.



Indeed the two half backs, full back and centre pairing have already played together a number of times at Origin level so already have an understanding of each other's games.



So they are at least a week ahead of England in terms of organisation and structure, not to mention just being more gifted individually. Until we start to take the international scene seriously in this country and structure our club season to give the international side the best chance, we're fighting with one hand behind our backs.

But why would we do that whilst our fans are far more interested in the domestic game?

TYPO corrected for you.

Chicken and egg - are fans more interested in the domestic game because the international side has been gash for the last 20 years? Or is the fact we have concentrated exclusively on the domestic game been the reason our international side has been gash?



The balance certainly does appear to have shifted, club attendances have risen in many cases since the late 80s whereas we struggle to fill 25,000 seater stadia for games that we were playing at Wembley or Elland Road in that era.

fair point. hoever they had a lot of time before the world cup and were still a shambles. it seems time together is therefore not the issue