i do not know specifically, hence question marks. but Sinfield questioned the attitude of some of the squad, and fitness. Garbutt now shipped out, make of that what you will.

Garbutt had one season which was massively affected by injury - the one just gone. His appearances in '16 and '17 were slightly lower than others not because of a massive injury problem but because sometimes he wasn't picked.



This is the most bull transfer I've seen at Leeds in the past 20 years, I don't think I've been this angry since James Lowes was given to Bradford.



Garbutt was our best forward by a mile and we've just released him. We've made the squad weaker at a time when we're trying to strengthen. Watch him next season as he kills it at Hull KR.

I find this a strange one, he was probably the only person in the squad with the size to worry defences as well as the desire to do the hard stuff. He has been injury prone last year, but in an era when it is not easy to bring in quality, it would only make sense if there is a decent replacement lined up - perhaps the Burgess slip of the tongue might be real (wishful thinking!)

A touch hyperbolic I think



What if getting rid of Garbutt means we sign Taupau?



Alternatively Hull KR could regret signing hm if he's sat in the stands for most of the season.

I think Sebastine Ikahihifo might be the replacement?

Initially I was pretty shocked when I heard this was happening given he has been our most go forward prop...



What makes me wonder though is if he is so great why has he ended up at Hull KR. I know we were both in the bottom 4 but this must be seen as a backward step overall. If he is so good why does it not look like any top 8 side was in for him or an NRL club? There is more to this than meets the eye.



Leeds now need to sign a player better than him to show progress.

I don't know, but we have to trust in the judgement of the club don't we? They see the players every day, deal with indiscretions, problems, and monitor their health. He is a very big human to have bad knees and get away with it. I can't believe Crosby is the Garbutt replacement, so there has to be another prop in the pipeline you would think. Unless Leeds really are trying to construct a pack made entirely of second rowers and one hooker.

I expect you'll have better players to come in that haven't been announced yet. Sit tight.

It's official.....name now changed to Hull Kingston RHINOS!!

I agree, Crosby isn't garbutt replacement in my eyes. I think he was always going to be added if he did ok on loan. I have been expecting mullally to leave which if he does means we have:

Crosby

Singleton

Petreu (who I think would make a good 2nd row)

Cuthbo (who was less of a prop last season)

Olejdski (who I think may be better served on a full years loan)



So it feels like we should be looking at 2 new props.

Yep pretty much my thoughts mate. You can't work second phase effectively if you're on the back foot and knackered through overwork in D. +2 starting props, and suddenly we free Cuthbo and Peteru to play back row, covering for injuries and form. We still probably need to lose 2-3 backrowers come the end of 2019 at that (JJB already announced). Ferres/Ward/Cuthbertson back 3 with Peteru, Smith, Ablett, JJB and maybe an Academy prospect is looking far stronger suddenly. Still have no clue what the club intends to to with Sutcliffe, and what happened to the Parcell rumours..?

Is he any better? Personally not seen much from him when Wakey have played Hudds!